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How To Name Your Sequel II: Not Just Roman Numerals Anymore

Originally published on Thu July 31, 2014 5:53 am

Remember when movie companies just put Roman numerals at the end of titles when they made sequels? Rocky II, Rocky III, Rocky IV. Well, not anymore.

This summer, we've had X-Men: Days of Future Past, with no mention that it's either the sixth or seventh X-Men movie, depending on how you're counting. Also 22 Jump Street, the across-the-street follow-up to 21 Jump Street. And Begin Again (which ought to be a sequel, but isn't).

Do you suppose they stopped numbering sequels so we wouldn't do the math? Totting up time spent — dollars spent — watching the same plot play out with variations. Five Die Hards, eight Planets of Apes, nine Elm Street Nightmares, a dozen Star Treks going boldly where pretty much everybody's gone by now.

It makes sense a studio might want to downplay that. Make things at least sound fresh. As with what I've come to think of as the "Harry Potter and the ..." movies, where book titles get our hero from pre-teen to young adult. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, up until the last couple, when they settle for Deathly Hallows, Part One and Part Two. Guess they figured that's catchier than Harry Potter and the Male Pattern Baldness.

Sometimes just using numbers for titles makes sense, as with Steven Soderbergh's Oceans trilogy about an ever-expanding gang of 11, then 12, then 13 con artists staging ever-more-elaborate casino heists.

But if you're not going to go with numbers, sequel titling does have some informal rules. For an action picture, you want to up the ante each time. Die Hard, Die Harder, Die Hard With a Vengeance. Or the Bourne Identity, rising to Supremacy, and then to Ultimatum, and then Simulacrum, or whatever that last one was without Matt Damon.

If it's a horror flick, you want to add to the dread. Resident Evil's follow-ups were called Resident Evil Apocalypse (pretty dire), then Extinction (more dire), and then Afterlife (which was pretty much the only place they could go after extinction). With horror flicks you also have to guard against calling it quits too early, with what I suppose you'd have to call death by superlatives. The Friday the 13th franchise made Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter in 1984 ... eight movies ago.

Comedy sequels get to have the most fun with titles. The Naked Gun 2 1/2, for instance. And give the Dumb and Dumber folks credit for coming up with Dumb and Dumberer. And for the three-quel title they've got coming in a few months, Dumb and Dumber To. Kinda meta, that.

Others just go with puns, like Alvin and the Chipmunks (I keep typing that "Chimpmunks" for some reason) tried The Squeakquel, and also Chipwrecked (when they went on a cruise).

There are occasional movie franchises where it doesn't much matter what you call the episodes. The series that has the most popular sequels in movie history — 23 and counting — doesn't acknowledge in its titles that the pictures are sequels, presumably on the theory that with 007, Titles Are Forever (except, of course, for the impenetrable Quantum of Solace, which is both meaningless and perplexing, and the one thing you do not want your sequel title to do is raise questions).

A while back, when producers were abbreviating everything — Mission Impossible 2, for instance, had posters that read M:I-2 — there was a horror flick that wanted to try that: a sequel to Halloween that was supposed to be taking place 20 years after the first one. So the poster had Jamie Lee Curtis staring out from the darkness above great big letters saying H20. It looked like she was selling a really sinister brand of bottled water.

Another title that raised all the wrong questions was for a story about the king from whom we declared our independence in 1776. In Britain, the stage play was called The Madness of George III. But when it was turned into a film, the producers worried that Americans wouldn't know who George III was, so they added the word "King" — The Madness of King George — while dropping the Roman numeral at the end, for fear that audiences would think they'd missed parts one and two.

What's the best sequel title ever? Well, reasonable people will disagree, but my vote goes to the Alien sequel: Aliens. First time around, just one of those critters was plenty scary, and this title promised (and the movie delivered) a whole planet's worth.

It's not always easy to know whether a sequel has a good title until the movie arrives. I can't say The Avengers: Age of Ultron means much to me at the moment. (Yeah, yeah, he's a robot ... and?) No doubt it will next summer when the advertising's in full roar.

And I'm not sure what would be right for the rumored sequel to Shakespeare in Love. Woody Allen's already made A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy. Love's Labour's Found, maybe?

There is one upcoming title, though, that I'm prepared to say feels right. It plays off nothing more than affection for a character who swam her way into audience hearts about a decade ago. Back then, she was looking for a lost hatchling named Nemo. Now she's apparently lost herself.

So the title Finding Dory? Just about perfect.

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AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

There was a time when movie studios just added Roman numerals to sequels. Think "Rocky II," "Rocky III," "Rocky IV." Well, not anymore. This summer we've had "22 Jump Street," the follow up to "21 Jump Street," and "X-Men - Days of Future Past" with no mention that it's either the six or seventh X-Men movie, depending on how you're counting. This got our movie critic Bob Mondello thinking about the art of sequel titling.

BOB MONDELLO, BYLINE: Do you suppose they stopped numbering sequels so we wouldn't do the math. Touting up time spent, dollars spent watching the same plot play out with variations. Five "Die Hard's," Seven Planet's of Ape's, nine elm street nightmares, a dozen Star Trek's going boldly where pretty much everyone's gone by now. It makes since a studio might want to downplay that, make things at least sound fresh. As with the, Harry Potter and the, movies where book titles get our hero from preteen to young adult. "Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets," "Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, until the last couple where they settle for Deathly Hallows - Part One and Two, which I guess they figured was better than Harry Potter and the male partner baldness.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE")

MICHAEL GAMBON: (As Albus Dumbledore) Why Harry, you need a shave my friend. You know at times I forget how much you've grown.

MONDELLO: Sometime just using numbers for titles make sense, as with Steven Soderbergh's "Ocean's" Trilogy about an ever expanding gang of con-artists, staging ever more elaborate casino heist.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, OCEAN'S SERIES)

UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: All right, gentlemen's down to three number combination, 11, 12 and 13.

MONDELLO: But if you're not going to go with numbers, sequel titling has rules. For an action picture you want to up the ante each time, "Die hard" "Die Harder," "Die Hard With A Vengeance" or with the "Bourne Identity" raising to "Supremacy" and then to "Ultimatum" then simulacrum or what ever that last one was without Matt Damon. If it's a horror flick, you want to add to the dread, "Resident Evil's" follow ups were called "Resident Evil Apocalypse," pretty dire, then "Extinction," more dire and then "Afterlife" which was pretty much the only place they could go after extinction.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "RESIDENT EVIL: AFTERLIFE")

ACTOR: What was that?

UNIDENTIFED ACTRESS: We're going to need more ammo.

MONDELLO: Comedy sequels get to have the most fun with titles, "Naked Gun 2½" for instance. And give the "Dumb And Dumber" folks credit for coming up with "Dumb And Dumberer" and for the threequel title that they've got coming in a few months, "Dumb And Dumber To," spelled T - O. Kind of meta. Other just go with puns like "Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel"

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS: THESQUEAKQUEL")

JUSTIN LONG: (As Alvin) And eat you for dinner, with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

MONDELLO: There are occasional movie franchises where it doesn't much matter what you call the episodes. The series that has the most popular sequels in movie history

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "THE SPY WHO LOVED ME")

MARVIN HAMLISCH: (Singing) Nobody does it better.

MONDELLO: 23 and counting .

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "LIVE AND LET DIE")

WINGS: (Singing) Live and let die.

MONDELLO: Doesn't acknowledge in its titles that the pictures are sequels.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "GOLDFINGER")

SHIRLEY BASSEY: (Singing) Goldfinger

MONDELLO: presumably on the theory that with 007.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "SKYFALL")

ADELE: (Singing) Skyfall

MONDELLO: Titles are forever, except of course for the impenetrable "Quantum Of Solace" impenetrable because "Quantum Of Solace" is both meaningless and perplexing and the one thing you do not want your sequel title to do is raise questions. Awhile back when producers were abbreviating everything, "Mission: Impossible II" for instance had posters that read, M - colon - I - hyphen - two. There was a horror flick that wanted to try that, a sequel to "Halloween" that was supposed be taking place 20 years after the first one. So, the poster had Jamie Lee Curtis's face and great big letters saying, "H20." It looked like she was selling a really sinister brand of bottled water.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "HALLOWEEN")

JANET LEIGH: (As Norma Watson) Able to talk to one could stare.

MONDELLO: Everyone's entitled to one good scare.

Another title that raised all the wrong questions was for a story about the king from whom we won our independence in 1776. In Britain the stage was called "The Madness Of George III" spelled George three in roman numerals. But when it was turned into a film, the producers worried that Americans wouldn't know who George III was, so they added the word king, "The Madness of King George" while dropping the Roman numeral at the end for fear that audiences would think they'd missed parts on and two.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "THE MADNESS OF KING GEORGE")

NIGEL HAWTHRONE: (As King George III) I am the king of England.

IAN HOLM: (As Dr. Willis) No sir. You are the patient.

MONDELLO: What's the best sequel title ever? Well, reasonable people will disagree. But my vote goes to the "Alien" sequel "Aliens."

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "ALIENS")

ACTOR: This is unbelievable.

SIGOURNEY WEAVER: (As Ellen Ripley) How many?

ACTOR: Can't, tell lots.

MONDELLO: First time around just one of those critters was plenty scary. This title promised and the movie delivered a whole planet's worth. It's not always easy to know whether a sequel has a good title until the movie arrives. I can't say that "The Avengers: Age Of Ultron" means much to me at the moment. No doubt it will next summer when the advertising is in full roar. Not sure what would be right for the rumored sequel to "Shakespeare In Love," Woody Allen's already made a "Midsummer's Night's Sex Comedy" love's Labour's found maybe? There is one upcoming title though that I'm prepared to say feels right. Playing off nothing more than affection for a character who swam her way into audience hearts about a decade ago.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "FINDING NEMO")

ELLEN DEGENERES: (As Dory) Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swimming, swimming, swimming, what do we do, we swim, swim.

MONDELLO: Back then she was looking for hatchling named Nemo.

(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "FINDING NEMO")

ALBERT BROOKS: (As Marlin) Dory.

DEGENERES: (As Dory) I love to swim and when you loooove to swim.

MONDELLO: know she's apparently lost herself.

BROOKS: (As Marlin) See now I'm going to get stuck with that song. Now it's in my head.

DEGENERES: (As Dory) Sorry.

MONDELLO: So the title "Finding Dory" just about perfect. I'm Bob Mondello.

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